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New CAFE Rules Anger Just About Everyone

Forbes - Dave Hurst, Contributor -- The Obama administration announced new fuel economy rules last week requiring that vehicles reach 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025. Typical of the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) rules, there are many credits offered for different types of vehicles based on their drivetrains, encouraging automakers to make and sell alternative drive and alternative fuel vehicles. The effort to tighten CAFE standards has been the epitome of government sausage making. The process required not only getting Republicans and Democrats to agree on something, but also getting environmentalists and, more importantly, auto manufacturers to agree on something that no party really likes. All of this makes for a very messy show, and it’s the biggest reason why from 1990 to 2009 fuel economy for cars remained...

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Submitted Sep 06, 2012 By: Treebrook224

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 7:49:47 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse it could be done now if Pig Oil and car makers would not be so opposed to change.
BEGTWO Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,947 Points:725,115 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 7:53:07 AM Ignore BEGTWO Report Abuse The car companies know they can do it!!!
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,973 Points:2,118,590 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 6:51:10 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse There shouldn't be ANY "anger", just ACCEPTANCE that it NEEDS to happen.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,899 Points:1,442,320 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:08:53 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse And in 2026 when you go to get your great fuel efficient vehicle repaired... when you see the bill, you will stutter... "but I thought I was supposed to save money with this gas sipping vehicle!!!"
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,495 Points:1,558,725 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:38:25 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse They should require cars to get better gas mileage.
esq262 Champion Author Asheville Posts:2,907 Points:649,465 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:25:02 PM Ignore esq262 Report Abuse I agree.
BIGOILEATURCRUD Champion Author North Carolina Posts:5,779 Points:1,379,475 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 6:01:57 PM Ignore BIGOILEATURCRUD Report Abuse Don't anger me.
SUV2009 Champion Author Orlando Posts:4,418 Points:1,144,190 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 5:37:50 PM Ignore SUV2009 Report Abuse So gas prices will then be $10 a gallon so what will have changed nothing on my end same overprice car and gas to go in it.
truvoice1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,288 Points:475,315 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 4:56:24 PM Ignore truvoice1 Report Abuse Again, its Obama forcing his socialist European agenda on all of us. He wants the government to determine our driving and buying behavior; and if he can't get it done by legislation, he'll try to do it by executive order. Doesn't this remind anyone of a dictator?
condé Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,746 Points:1,814,640 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 3:56:13 PM Ignore condé Report Abuse It is WE THE PEOPLE who will get the bun hole in the end.
jimmy544 Champion Author Boston Posts:4,123 Points:654,830 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 3:29:13 PM Ignore jimmy544 Report Abuse If you get twice the mileage gas costs half as much. We already know what some of these cars will look like as some are here now.
Cheepo Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,889 Points:3,128,005 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 1:21:09 PM Ignore Cheepo Report Abuse Yes, angering me!!!! He will not last that long!!!!!!!!!!
sch5v2 Veteran Author Colorado Posts:330 Points:921,950 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 11:36:11 AM Ignore sch5v2 Report Abuse Nope, not angering me.
Goatroper Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,604 Points:1,295,435 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 11:29:26 AM Ignore Goatroper Report Abuse Gonna end up knocking the floorboards out and Flintstoning that bad oscar.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,561 Points:1,919,985 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:50:03 AM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse Gotta be more efficient! We can't keep polluting forever!
nskmda Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,290 Points:787,530 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:38:59 AM Ignore nskmda Report Abuse by the time current administration will be gone for 10+ years?
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,583 Points:481,250 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:32:33 AM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse Don't know about you, but those new standards really don't anger me one bit.
bluebird1 Champion Author Toronto Posts:15,740 Points:3,109,100 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:27:59 AM Ignore bluebird1 Report Abuse I think its crazy to be tightening them now (it is tightening, right???...lose track of latest targets quickly) but remember this isn't as far fetched as some think like some saying at this rate take 2050 to reach this. Remember a) its based on old mpg testing methods that are 20% higher than what's used now b) there will be credits for technology to boost it & c) loopholes will abound, just like the current one of make gas-hungry vehicles flex fuel (no one can consistently use E80) & it won't count against your CAFE avgs.
CrazyQ Champion Author Washington Posts:24,158 Points:3,070,460 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:27:44 AM Ignore CrazyQ Report Abuse In the 70s, market forces forced better gas mileage. Too bad know-it-alls in Washington cannot let people decide for themselves which is more important, mileage or safety.
EMoe57 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:4,622 Points:1,017,015 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:22:05 AM Ignore EMoe57 Report Abuse no reason thay cannot - other than the push-back for people who hate change
PathTrack Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,204 Points:134,855 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:18:46 AM Ignore PathTrack Report Abuse At the rate they are improving mileage they will reach the mandate by 2050
porotito Champion Author Houston Posts:2,155 Points:580,660 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:15:02 AM Ignore porotito Report Abuse BS!!!!
CC55 Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,310 Points:1,399,085 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:14:31 AM Ignore CC55 Report Abuse Many cars can get 50mph. now,we need to get a higher fleet avg. This will be good for all of us using less fuel used and more money in your pocket. If you want to pay out a hundred bucks every time you fill up good luck with that, fuel is not going to get a lot cheaper, no matter who is in the White House.
Goofoff Champion Author Virginia Posts:11,882 Points:2,177,200 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:12:23 AM Ignore Goofoff Report Abuse the oil greed never ends
LostToo Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,392 Points:975,315 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:11:24 AM Ignore LostToo Report Abuse What are they worried about? 2025 is a long way off. They can either make the cars do it or they can lobby the next couple presidents to change the rules. No big deal.
BillHeatherL Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,648 Points:1,925,605 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:10:18 AM Ignore BillHeatherL Report Abuse lost tax revenue from the pumps will be made up for somewhere else
crmedic Champion Author Arkansas Posts:2,678 Points:225,125 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:09:45 AM Ignore crmedic Report Abuse If the car companies don't like I'm sure the gas companies hate it and will invest millions to derail it.
schvanda63 Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,322 Points:264,840 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:09:02 AM Ignore schvanda63 Report Abuse Just like congress will have to have a balanced budget by 2016. It will never happen. Mandate something far enough in the future so you wont be around to worry about it. Leave it to the next people in line to take care of it. Ain't America wonderful.
Bigtex09 Champion Author Dallas Posts:4,293 Points:1,160,260 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:08:23 AM Ignore Bigtex09 Report Abuse we may have to park all those limo's in Washington!!!
SUSANCK Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,647 Points:709,430 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:08:19 AM Ignore SUSANCK Report Abuse Scary to read obummer supporters comments here! Out of touch with the world!
mikerroy Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,571 Points:721,895 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:08:18 AM Ignore mikerroy Report Abuse ok
geminijax Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:16,831 Points:2,728,275 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:07:39 AM Ignore geminijax Report Abuse ag9495, very well put. Thanks to vehicles that deliver high mpg (including hybrids, EVs, etc.), the gas tax dollars going to the feds & state govts have been declining. The politicians WILL find ways to make up that "shortfall", rather than cut their own wasteful spending. In short, we'll be paying, no matter what!
april4 Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:12,179 Points:2,401,835 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:07:10 AM Ignore april4 Report Abuse Interesting
Gassed01 Champion Author Toronto Posts:6,359 Points:1,803,765 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:07:04 AM Ignore Gassed01 Report Abuse Good initiative. Gas will likely be $10.00 a gallon or more by then. A solution to higher pump prices is better mileage so you can drive a given distance without spending more per trip.
8ballnd Champion Author North Dakota Posts:2,116 Points:285,750 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:05:13 AM Ignore 8ballnd Report Abuse they should be high now i wont have to pay as much on gas
Lizzylou Champion Author Stockton Posts:8,818 Points:2,357,285 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:04:22 AM Ignore Lizzylou Report Abuse WOW another political agenda item!
Crumbfel Champion Author Virginia Posts:11,554 Points:2,160,585 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:03:33 AM Ignore Crumbfel Report Abuse get over it
JCI46009IN Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,129 Points:439,570 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:03:22 AM Ignore JCI46009IN Report Abuse Mitt the Twitt, will hate to see that!!!!
hwmillerster Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,794 Points:1,466,320 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:02:44 AM Ignore hwmillerster Report Abuse My 1980 diesel rabbit got 54 mpg in its time.
ag9495 Champion Author Houston Posts:17,846 Points:1,865,275 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:02:19 AM Ignore ag9495 Report Abuse mberg, more than likely, the cost to get to the new CAFE standards will be higher that the cost savings from using less fuel. The rate at which gas prices have been going up the last 4 years, I don't even want to think about how much it will be in 2025. If these rules ever do make it to law, then the gas savings will probably never make up the extra cost that we will be paying for a new car. Another issue to think about...we'll be buying less gas which means less taxes to the government, but they still wants our money, so we will be paying mileage taxes or something along those lines. The cost to drive in 20-30 years will be astronomical!
paoli8 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:7,086 Points:1,821,470 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:01:46 AM Ignore paoli8 Report Abuse Change is needed in desperately needed in November
mattf373 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,353 Points:497,150 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:01:07 AM Ignore mattf373 Report Abuse Yeah
dulberg Sophomore Author Long Island Posts:242 Points:265,480 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:00:57 AM Ignore dulberg Report Abuse K
slgas Champion Author Houston Posts:6,035 Points:1,563,515 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 10:00:52 AM Ignore slgas Report Abuse Evidence of leadership. The higher mpg figures are a great way to lower our costs for driving our cars. If you are against higher mileage, there are probably a few 1970-era clunkers you could probably find on used car lots.
JENNYHK Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,646 Points:714,520 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:58:42 AM Ignore JENNYHK Report Abuse We must fix this in November!
mrpc90 Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,152 Points:1,928,340 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:58:22 AM Ignore mrpc90 Report Abuse Shows how completely out of touch that the Obama administration is.
memo81 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,353 Points:445,475 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:57:46 AM Ignore memo81 Report Abuse ok
96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:8,517 Points:1,367,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:57:39 AM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse Romney will fix that too
Sethyl Champion Author Miami Posts:1,758 Points:378,440 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:56:56 AM Ignore Sethyl Report Abuse well, congress does have the power to repeal laws they passed.
Hangnail309 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:6,029 Points:1,678,155 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 9:56:36 AM Ignore Hangnail309 Report Abuse Is CAFE settling realistic, achievable goals?