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	Sunday, October 05, 2008 knoxvillebiz.com -- Short supply, volatile prices spark frustration in Knox area; experts say problem rooted largely in nonlocal factors. Gulf Coast damage from hurricanes nearly a month ago has subsided, but consumers almost a thousand miles away in Knoxville are still reeling from fluctuating gasoline prices and short supply. As the costs they're counting grow, their frustration does, too, and many are demanding explanations. Prices have dropped to below-hurricane levels but intermittent outages at reliable retailers around the area continue to spook motorists, who increasingly are driving to more than one location to find gas. Businesses that depend on gas or diesel for delivering products and services also are tallying the expense. Visit knoxvillebiz.com for full article

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Kowkisser Veteran Author Albany Posts:429 Points:77,575 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/7/2008 2:42:06 PM	Ignore Kowkisser Report Abuse
	Jagman98 You are right. I mistyped. I should have typed "If _MORE_ refineries were built around NYC..." because even with the ones currently in Jersey, refined gas still must be piped north to the region. Maybe also add some in New England. But it still does not affect my main point which is that spreading out the refineries would prevent nationwide shortages, but not local ones.
Jagman98 All-Star Author Louisville Posts:822 Points:112,255 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 10/7/2008 8:42:45 AM	Ignore Jagman98 Report Abuse
	"If refineries were built around NYC,"...........drive through Newark, NJ......that's one reason why NJ has some of the lowest gas in the US...even with the fact that most all stations are "Full" service.....
magnumCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,589 Points:303,025 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 9:52:03 PM	Ignore magnumCA Report Abuse
	Excellent
Kowkisser Veteran Author Albany Posts:429 Points:77,575 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 2:46:15 PM	Ignore Kowkisser Report Abuse
	Even if we built refineries in other parts of the country, it would not have done any good for the southeast. The pipeline going to the Knoxville area would still have been shut down. They still would not have enough oil. The only time it would make a difference is when they shut down the refineries and cause a nationwide problem. If refineries were built around NYC, it would take some of the pressure off the pipelines, and there would not be any extra need for tanker trucks. The same could be done in the LA area. More refineries would also be helpful when some need to be taken offline for maintenance or other problems, as well. However, local shortages would still occur.
mrgots2000 All-Star Author New York Posts:550 Points:67,630 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 11:26:35 AM	Ignore mrgots2000 Report Abuse
	price gouging and artificial shortages, the week ago the government came out with it's inventories on gasoline and there was a rise in inventories, meaning either less consumption or more production, either way nearly a month later the refineries are 100% back online, so the shortage pressures should have subsided by now. either way fuel is still to high, last time the barrel of oil was this low, gasoline prices were hovering around 2.50, Oklahoma is the only city near those prices at around 2.90 a gallon, here in new york city it's up near 3.70 a gallon, what the hell!!! I pissed, Im angry and i'm not driving my beautiful convertable as much anymore, not untill prices come down to where they should be, im not gonna be gouged, i'm not gonna be ripped off. I'm boycotting gasoline prices by not consuming, last month i consume only 6 gallons of fuel, using my vehicle only when no other alternative was available.
ramshot412 Champion Author Riverside Posts:12,367 Points:1,232,430 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 11:12:55 AM	Ignore ramshot412 Report Abuse
	Still need to conserve.
rockinrog Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,058 Points:724,305 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 11:11:45 AM	Ignore rockinrog Report Abuse
	How long will this take.....
zmancbr Veteran Author Colorado Posts:302 Points:71,505 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 11:06:19 AM	Ignore zmancbr Report Abuse
	Very old news...
wizzard1222 All-Star Author St. Louis Posts:643 Points:749,550 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:56:38 AM	Ignore wizzard1222 Report Abuse
	Crude @ $90 and dropping!
krucker All-Star Author Austin Posts:778 Points:461,685 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:53:56 AM	Ignore krucker Report Abuse
	OLD NEWS
NavyEOD Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,192 Points:476,940 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:53:32 AM	Ignore NavyEOD Report Abuse
	Need to conserve.
HerrZimmer All-Star Author Connecticut Posts:637 Points:141,980 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:47:52 AM	Ignore HerrZimmer Report Abuse
	doom and gloom!
greywolves Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:1,412 Points:979,550 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:46:15 AM	Ignore greywolves Report Abuse
	and the beat goes on
hblee Veteran Author Ontario Posts:482 Points:272,010 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:46:06 AM	Ignore hblee Report Abuse
	Maybe the consumers should demand a rebate from the oil companies for the expenses incurred while looking for fuel.
AlaRedNeck Champion Author Kansas Posts:1,403 Points:254,475 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:45:06 AM	Ignore AlaRedNeck Report Abuse
	we should all be fuming. Gas has fallen below $2.95 here and we are happy about it? The oil companies and Bush/Cheney have made us HAPPY to pay a price that is still over inflated. But don't worry, we will have the last laugh, they have also destroyed our economy and when we are all unemployed none of us will be able to buy gas.
DADDYBGG All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:549 Points:113,750 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:43:17 AM	Ignore DADDYBGG Report Abuse
	crazy stuff i say
DieselX All-Star Author Chicago Posts:970 Points:225,205 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:42:43 AM	Ignore DieselX Report Abuse
	seems noone has good answers
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,769 Points:1,059,010 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:41:55 AM	Ignore Don20 Report Abuse
	The consumer has a right to be fuming..
eaglev Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,212 Points:376,800 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:40:01 AM	Ignore eaglev Report Abuse
	The supply line is not working to this area.
Lenguado Champion Author Orlando Posts:7,010 Points:1,484,165 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:39:31 AM	Ignore Lenguado Report Abuse
	How about blaming the DemonCrats for blocking any new exporation, drilling and refining over the last 20 years......
ptmacgjr Champion Author Akron Posts:2,683 Points:313,410 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:38:59 AM	Ignore ptmacgjr Report Abuse
	I did, about 10 years ago, my dad said to put money into stocks of oil companies. I watched em for 2 years, then when they didn't go down {especially just before an election) I put my money into oil stocks. I love this. I didn't do nothing, and I love it.
kingpin6 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,085 Points:263,800 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:38:36 AM	Ignore kingpin6 Report Abuse
	I agree that there is something fishy with the so-called shortages in TN, GA and NC. Ike is long gone, and the rest of the country seems to have adequate supplies.
iluna All-Star Author Colorado Springs Posts:515 Points:92,660 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:36:28 AM	Ignore iluna Report Abuse
	Ike has come & gone & there's plenty of fuel to go around. What is going on here? Maybe a criminal investigation IS in order. Something's mighty fishy here! [Edited by: iluna at 10/6/2008 10:36:46 AM EST]
chemist74 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:6,735 Points:1,090,220 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:35:54 AM	Ignore chemist74 Report Abuse
	The article covers many of the causes that most people are aware of. Most regions get their gasoline by one or two of the major gasoline pipelines. Each pipeline gets gasoline from only a few of the major refineries. If a number of the refineries supplying the pipeline that supplies the terminal in your region shut down, you will have shortages in your region even if there are no shortages in other regions. The major pipelines are owned by separate companies (not the oil companies). Many pipelines operate near capacity and do not have the intfrastructure to pick up demand when other pipelines are down. Storing enough gasoline in each region to meet demand for a couple of weeks would cost a fortune and no one wants to make the investment when it only decreases profits. Stockpiles in regions basically are equivalent to what drivers have in the tanks of their cars, what stations have in their tanks to hold them until their next delivery from the terminal and what the terminal has in its tanks to hold it until its next scheduled withdrawl from the pipeline. (Pipelines transport many different fuels on a schedule and terminals must schedule their withdrawls far ahead of time.) There is very little "excess" tank truck and railroad tank car capacity to move gasolines into these regions. Most gasoline tank trucks are already moving fuel between terminals and stations. Diverting them to move gasoline into large regions when pipelines are down would make little difference other than creating some shortages where the trucks came from. (Because there would not be enough trucks to move gasoline from terminals with gas to gas stations.)
dougrusty Veteran Author Illinois Posts:472 Points:132,270 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:35:38 AM	Ignore dougrusty Report Abuse
	It is ridiculous that it has gone this far.
BBHybrid All-Star Author Pittsburgh Posts:636 Points:130,925 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:34:29 AM	Ignore BBHybrid Report Abuse
	why is nothing being done?
MacGyver_1701 Champion Author Indiana Posts:5,404 Points:1,186,900 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:30:26 AM	Ignore MacGyver_1701 Report Abuse
	Someone is making money in the supply chain. Find this money, and you find the problem.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:2,139 Points:473,880 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:29:37 AM	Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse
	It is high time this has been resolved.
mahenv7 Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,434 Points:288,690 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:28:57 AM	Ignore mahenv7 Report Abuse
	as usual, poor management practices
tbybee Veteran Author Omaha Posts:437 Points:136,660 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:26:26 AM	Ignore tbybee Report Abuse
	Considering crude is under $100 that has to be frustrating.
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:1,218 Points:339,920 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:23:42 AM	Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse
	I agree with Plebe2001 but after checking into the shortage see if criminal charges could be brought. This will stop this from happening in the future.
mrpc90 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,447 Points:414,850 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:23:40 AM	Ignore mrpc90 Report Abuse
	Drill here, drill now, pay less. Leftover story from yesterday.
Zinnoil Champion Author Illinois Posts:13,532 Points:1,561,320 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:23:36 AM	Ignore Zinnoil Report Abuse
	Where's the gas?
BBopp Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,460 Points:598,805 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:21:57 AM	Ignore BBopp Report Abuse
	It is high time this has been resolved. Utter insanity.
Plebe2001 Veteran Author Philadelphia Posts:439 Points:70,685 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:18:52 AM	Ignore Plebe2001 Report Abuse
	Your local officials should be the ones to check into this shortage to determine fairly what was the cause of the shortage and what can be done to prevent it in the future.
roydarecker Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,159 Points:691,205 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:17:47 AM	Ignore roydarecker Report Abuse
	geography, I think we need more pipelines and refineries spread out across this country so we don't have this problem.
w4kh Champion Author Riverside Posts:3,875 Points:683,570 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:17:35 AM	Ignore w4kh Report Abuse
	Drilling more of our own oil will ONLY put more profit in the pockets of the Big Oil Companies... They will sell it in the GLOBAL Market and you addicts will never see a drop in pump prices bec aue the rest of the world is used to paying $10/gallon for gasoline...
EZExit All-Star Author Phoenix Posts:568 Points:129,625 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:16:36 AM	Ignore EZExit Report Abuse
	When a company goes to propose a new refinery, people complain "not in my backyard", and of course the local politicians jump on board after seeing which way the wind blows. That's even the case when a refinery will blow away the EPA standards for emisions. We all want reasonably priced gas, but none of us are willing to allow anyone to build a refinery, drill locally for oil, or pay for development of alternative fuels. What we see is what we get as a result, in addition to oil companies now that have an enhanced monopoly on oil supplies and charge (and get away with it) way overinflated prices.
jppezz All-Star Author New Mexico Posts:572 Points:111,975 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:13:01 AM	Ignore jppezz Report Abuse
	we must drill more of our own oil
sailormon All-Star Author Michigan Posts:746 Points:225,080 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:12:38 AM	Ignore sailormon Report Abuse
	I think questions need to be asked. I never understood how just a few states had the shortages, yet we various refineries around the country that were not hit, and transportation to get the product there.
flatcoatfun All-Star Author Orlando Posts:680 Points:209,180 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:12:12 AM	Ignore flatcoatfun Report Abuse
	This is what I call reporting - someone actually getting all the information and publishing it so people can learn. Wish there was more of this going on in the newspapers!!!
soulsrfr Sophomore Author Jacksonville Posts:118 Points:57,035 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:11:50 AM	Ignore soulsrfr Report Abuse
	People want more refineries but nobody wants them in their area. Can not have it both ways. Conservation will work. Just keep with it.
21597 All-Star Author Colorado Posts:899 Points:254,065 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:08:03 AM	Ignore 21597 Report Abuse
	more oil, coal and refineries
91_Metro_Man All-Star Author Ventura Posts:632 Points:290,535 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:07:35 AM	Ignore 91_Metro_Man Report Abuse
	Don't they get it?
amacquarrie Veteran Author Nevada Posts:445 Points:101,105 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:03:03 AM	Ignore amacquarrie Report Abuse
	same old thing
ladybugIL Veteran Author Chicago Posts:289 Points:131,440 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:02:52 AM	Ignore ladybugIL Report Abuse
	I hope that the new president will find people intelligent enough to organize this mess we have with gas shortages.
qclady Rookie Author Quad Cities Posts:6 Points:4,220 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 10:02:11 AM	Ignore qclady Report Abuse
	I agree we have needed more refineries for some time now. Think of the jobs it would make
CheapoBob Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,574 Points:990,000 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 9:58:37 AM	Ignore CheapoBob Report Abuse
	old
nags1head Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,044 Points:234,195 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 9:58:33 AM	Ignore nags1head Report Abuse
	We need more refineries.
JuneP Sophomore Author Phoenix Posts:136 Points:111,030 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: 10/6/2008 9:58:29 AM	Ignore JuneP Report Abuse
	Wow, that guy sure did his research for this article. Thanks for all the information. It also makes it pretty clear that we need more refineries very soon

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