bston

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 1:09:34 AM
They're very strict on the left coast folks!
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 12:12:23 AM
Wow what a senseless comment bumble...!!!!!! Try reading the news article one more time with the keyword being "again". A decade ago is when this sort of electricity market manipulation in CA was first brought to light.
Now a J.P. Morgan, as in Chase, unit is also being fined and also suspended from trading in the power markets. Barclays is a also under investigation and may end up with record fines and an even longer suspension for its market manipulation schemes. Enron alumnae are alive and, unfortunately, well and spreading their scams in all energy and financial markets now. Time to call in Terminex on these rats!
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PDQBlues

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 4:16:49 PM
Even with a $2.5 Mil fine, they probably still made money from the fake gas shortage.
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nsdp

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:24:28 PM
The Enron mess was cleaned up 6 years ago by the indictment of 53 traders, Dynergy, Enron and others. This is new in the last couple of years. JPMorgan and two other wall street banks/hedge funds were the first caught this time.
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clpassenubye

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:11:29 PM
That fine seems a little low especially since it affected CA into the billions of dollars.
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oilfreak

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Houston
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 11:28:48 AM
oh wow
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gas_too_high

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 11:08:22 AM
That must be from the brownouts of 2001. And those are only now wrapping up?
Enron was implicated in manipulation, as I recall. Enron of course, went bankrupt and was liquidated in late 2001-2002.
GTH
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WonderfulMI

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 10:16:47 AM
Republicans promote this kind of behavior.
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investmentdr

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 9:36:20 AM
maybe possible in non-competitive markets like electricity generation; not so in the ultracompetitive oil/gas markets
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WalRus49

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Boston
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 8:52:44 AM
More organized mayhem and pillage..............................
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AVKZ

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Kalamazoo
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 8:16:23 AM
Good!
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mabrams184

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 7:30:19 AM
Greedy people will always try to take just a little more than they should.
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el_fr

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 7:27:31 AM
Took em long enough
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MImusicman

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 6:56:43 AM
Ok
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humblepie

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 6:54:21 AM
wow that only took a decade ???????????????
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OHMS

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 6:38:37 AM
don't deal with JP Morgan Chase
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jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 6:02:23 AM
Didn't enron do the same thing? Needs to be larger penalties and JAIL time for gouging consumers.
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zoomer20

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 5:31:28 AM
Ripoffs! Throw them in jail.
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dh0770

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 4:42:37 AM
Small fish - just to make it look like regulators aren't in collusion!
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RonElp

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El Paso
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 4:07:28 AM
They should take the fines from the salaries of the executives... not from the company. Fining the company just results in higher prices for the consumer... Fining the Corporate executives would have a bigger impact on the future operation of the company. Let the CEO's kids eat beans and not gat anything for Christmas. Then they would think LONG and HARD before trying stuff like this. This should be the way we fine ALL companies. The BP fines should have come directly from the salaries of the executives.
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gaswatchON

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 4:04:25 AM
How come none of these guys go to jail?????????
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Buickdriver7

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:49:00 AM
Quote: "...federal regulators are again pursuing allegations of manipulation." When will they take the same approach against oil speculators and Oil companies re: artificially high gasoline prices and record high profits despite the recession-plagued economy??
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Ready Eddie

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:38:49 AM
Lead by example. We have torn down values to the point everyone is a crook.
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SkooterG

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:38:09 AM
Ha ha! Indians still trying to get back at the white man!
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Ahking

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:32:22 AM
Make the penalty match the crime - the more people it affects, the higher the penalty.
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cheapertvs

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:31:23 AM
Jail 'em and throw away the key.....
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OldMan322

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:28:37 AM
For ever one they catch, ten get away
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Topless2012

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:26:30 AM
Sometimes you get caught. Sometimes you don't.
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Retowered

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:25:33 AM
Is this gas related??
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speedys

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Utah
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:24:27 AM
Can you believe someone did that? LOL
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abacus44

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Toms River
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:23:21 AM
OK
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HoBuddy2012

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:17:36 AM
Ha...
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DrivingFool2

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Appleton
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:10:24 AM
Same management team from Enron
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spud5559

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Yakima
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:05:43 AM
sock it to them
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wally52

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 2:04:39 AM
pa79th this must be for the EVs.
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pa79th

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:58:39 AM
That's nice, but what does this have to do with the price of gasoline?
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charladan

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:56:27 AM
I think the state utilities were willing accomplices too.
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kd5kpd

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Texas
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:53:32 AM
Fine sounds to cheap to me should be 10x more!
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badharley

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:52:57 AM
Crooks?
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ED6

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:51:39 AM
Good.
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jimgraham

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Akron
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:49:36 AM
So the people driving EV cars will also get a refund???
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rosyLI

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:49:02 AM
Nobody manipulates like the government.
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RENEGADEGAS

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:46:57 AM
So how much is gas and oil?
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lunarrv15

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:45:25 AM
okay...interesting thanks for posting
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Happytalk

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:45:25 AM
get them to pay more
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UseLessGasFolks

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:44:19 AM
Goons.
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shari128

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Iowa
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:44:05 AM
As usually the middle & lower class are paying the price.
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JohnofGB

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Flint
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:42:54 AM
Obviously , someone did not get the word about Enron and what happened to them when they manipulated electricity to California.
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krobp46

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:40:23 AM
I wish the gov't would also go after gas stations that gouge
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liao

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:34:23 AM
Get caught in the act.
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